Posted by: Dr Churchill | July 12, 2018

SpyGate (Chapter Thirty Eight)

SpyGate
This book details the evidence and the reasons behind the recently failed Coup D’Etat against the American Democracy.
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“This is the most important existential threat that our country has faced since the inception of this Republic” —Dr Churchill
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This Book was written by Dr Pano Churchill
Copyright 2018
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Chapter Thirty Eight
“The uncovering of the Big Game — Shootting for Elephant”

One ought to watch here bellow, the interview of FBI agent Peter Strzok, as he testified during the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees’ joint hearing on “Oversight of FBI and DOJ Actions Surrounding the 2016 Election” as it took place right on the 12th of July 2018:

This is significant because the lead agent PETER STRZOK who caused, started, and led, the FBI’s salacious dossier official investigation against candidate Trump in 2016, that led to the appointment of Robert Mueller, is answering questions on his first ever open-public hearing…

A public hearing that inevitably tumbled into a rancorous and heated political fracas on Thursday, as Strzok lied, obfuscated, and disseminated his testimony in a partisan way that caused in turn the Republicans to clash with him, and with the Democrats as well as to caution the former investigator over his anti-Trump texts — and accused him of contempt of Congress, for initially refusing to answer questions on the Russia hoax probe and the resulting witch hunt.

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Wow!

Look at the faces of everyone around Strzok during his Congressional testimony.

They must know he is a lying, corrupt & treasonous person.

What a complete circus today has been!

We can only hope that our Congress will do better next time when they interview a total loser liar like this person…

Yet the Congressional hearing into FBI agent Peter Strzok’s apparent anti-Trump bias boiled over when a top Republican asked the “smirking” Strzok whether he was lying under oath the same way he “lied” to his wife while he carried on an affair with now-former FBI lawyer Lisa Page.

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas had this to say to lead FBI agent Strzok: “The disgrace is what this man has done to our justice system. I can’t help but wonder, when I see you looking there with a little smirk, how many times did you look so innocent into your wife’s eyes and lie to her about Lisa Page?”

Strzok and Page exchanged numerous text messages on their FBI-issued phones expressing hostility toward then candidate Trump in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election, even as Strzok was a lead investigator on the Hillary Clinton scandal, as well as on the Russian hoax meddling probe.

They continued harassing President Trump after he got elected by trying to impeach him and assuring each other that they will do so imminently. The Mueller investigation got started by people like that couple of rats Strzok and Page, and yet it still bedevils this country…

Strzok did the deed and now is seen as the vermin he is, but he couldn’t care less what the American people and this country thinks about him. Yet, it’s Comey, Rosenstein, and Mueller, and the other FBI & DOJ enablers who truly disgust decent Americans. This guy Strzok is just a disgraced stool pigeon, a habitual cheater, and a mole — nothing more.

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The two FBI sex partners were also the leading agents in the Clinton scandal investigation, as well as in the Russia collusion hoax that was invented to take attention away and simultaneously thwart the call for further investigation against Secretary Clinton.

Not surprisingly the two sexualized Clinton spy agents within the FBI, also headed the Russia hoax investigations against Trump. Well versed and acting as spies who were well versed on subterfuge — the two of them only communicated with each other through their work government owned mobile phones. They did this, in order to throw shade on their real jobs in undermining the American government, but also in an effort to hide their illicit sex affair from their respective spouses.

They had thus far evaded discovery for a long time.

Yet all this mess, was revealed according to a bombshell report that was released last month by the Justice Department’s inspector general of DOJ, Mr Horowitz.

Yet for now, let us go back towards the beginning of this Witch-Hunt that started with the uncovering of all the section 702 FISA abuses by the FBI as described by Admiral Mike Rogers of the NSA at the time…

Back then, John Carlin was an Assistant Attorney General – and Head of the Department of Justice’s National Security Division (NSD), and on September 27, 2016, Carlin announced his resignation. He formally left the NSD on October 15th, of 2016. Carlin had been named Acting Assistant Attorney General in March 2013 and was confirmed in the spring of 2014.

Carlin had previously served as chief of staff to then-FBI Director Robert S. Mueller.

Carlin was replaced with Mary McCord – who would later accompany Acting Attorney General Sally Yates to see White House Counsel Don McGahn, regarding General Michael Flynn.

Carlin announced his resignation exactly one day after he filed the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. His signature can be found on page 31.

Section 702 is part of the broader FISA Act and permits the government to target for surveillance foreign persons located outside the United States for the purpose of acquiring foreign intelligence information.

Instead of issuing individual court orders, Section 702 requires the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to provide the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) with annual certifications that specify categories of foreign intelligence information the government is authorized to acquire pursuant to Section 702.

The Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence must also certify that Intelligence Community elements will follow targeting procedures and minimization procedures that are approved by the FISC as part of the annual certification.

The National Security Division and Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) are jointly required to routinely review all Intelligence Agency U.S. person queries of content to ensure the Section 702 queries satisfy the legal standard.

The NSD – with notice to the ODNI – is required to report any incidents of Agency noncompliance or misconduct to the FISA Court.

For a more complete discussion see, FISA Surveillance – Title I & III and Section 702.

At the time Carlin’s sudden resignation went mostly unnoticed.

But there was more to the story.

Here is the official explanation as provided by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence:

After submitting its 2016 Certifications in September 2016, the Department of Justice and ODNI learned, in October 2016, about additional information related to previously reported compliance incidents and reported that additional information to the FISC. The NSA also self-reported the information to oversight bodies, as required by law. These compliance incidents related to the NSA’s inadvertent use of U.S. person identifiers to query NSA’s “upstream” Internet collection acquired pursuant to Section 702.

The FISA Court was more direct in a 99-page April 26, 2017 unsealed FISA Court Ruling.

On October 24, 2016, the government orally apprised the Court of significant non-compliance with the NSA’s minimization procedures involving queries of data acquired under Section 702 using U.S. person identifiers. The full scope of non-compliant querying practices had not been previously disclosed to the Court. Two days later, on the day the Court otherwise would have had to complete its review of the certifications and procedures, the government made a written submission regarding those compliance problems, and the Court held a hearing to address them.

The government reported that it was working to ascertain the cause(s) of those compliance problems and develop a remedial plan to address them. Without further information about the compliance problems and the government’s remedial efforts, the Court was not in a position to assess whether the minimization procedures would comply with the statutory standards and were consistent with the requirements of the Fourth Amendment.

But that still doesn’t begin to describe the breadth and scope of what occurred.

It wasn’t the Obama Administration that self-disclosed before the FISA Court on October 24 and 26, 2016.

Instead, it was National Security Agency Director Admiral Mike Rogers. And he deserves a medal for his efforts.

Here’s what actually happened…

On January 7, 2016, the NSA Inspector General, George Ellard, released a report on NSA Controls & FISA compliance. Starting on page ii:

“Agency controls for monitoring query compliance have not been completely developed.

The Agency has no process to reliably identify queries performed using selectors associated with 704 and 705(b) targets.”

The rest of the highlights are fully redacted. But more information lay within the report (pages 6-7):

“We identified another [redacted] queries that were performed outside the targeting authorization periods in E.O. 12333 data, which is prohibited by the E.O. 12333 minimization procedures. We also identified queries performed using USP selectors in FAA §702 upstream data, which is prohibited by the FAA §702 minimization procedures.

Downstream collection involves the government acquiring data from the companies providing service to the user – like Google or Facebook.

However, some Section 702 collection is obtained via “upstream” collection.”

In simple parlance, upstream collection means the NSA accesses the high capacity fiber optic cables that carry Internet traffic and copies all the data flowing through those cables.

The agency is then supposed to filter out any “wholly domestic” communications that are between Americans located in the U.S.

Data collected “incidentally” on U.S. Citizens is generally not destroyed. It is minimized. As we will see later, this became a problem.

Intelligence Agencies can then search the data using “To”, “From” or “About” queries on a target of Section 702 collection.

“About” queries are particularly worrisome.

They occur when the target is neither the sender nor the recipient of the collected communication – but the target’s selector, such as an email address, is being passed between two other communicants.

For more information see, FISA Surveillance – Title I & III and Section 702.

“About” queries were abruptly halted by NSA Director Mike Rogers on October 20, 2016. This was formally announced by the NSA on April 28, 2017.

The events leading to this decision are described in this post.

Which brings us to a table from the Inspector General’s Report.

Table 3 (page 7) shows four types of violations. The most frequent violation – 5.2% of the total – came from Section 702 upstream “About” queries.

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The Inspector General’s Report is heavily redacted – but even a casual reading indicates there were significant compliance and control issues within the NSA regarding the use of Section 702 data.

It’s unclear if then NSA Director Mike Rogers discovered the 702 violations and reported them in early 2015, or if it was the Inspector General who found them. Either way, NSA Director Mike Rogers became aware of Section 702 violations sometime in 2015.

Following NSA Inspector General Ellard’s report, Admiral Mike Rogers implemented a tightening of internal rules at the NSA.

However, the NSA Inspector General’s report and Roger’s tightening of internal rules did not halt the Query Compliance Problems.

Outside Agencies – specifically the DOJ’s National Security Division and the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division – were still routinely violating Section 702 procedures.

In 2015, DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz (not to be confused with NSA IG Ellard) specifically requested oversight of the National Security Division. Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates responded with a 58 page Memorandum, that effectively told the Inspector General to go pound sand.

As noted earlier, John Carlin was the Head of the DOJ’s National Security Division and was responsible for filing the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications.

This filing would be subject to intense criticism from the FISA Court following disclosures made by NSA Director Rogers. Significant changes to the handling of raw FISA data would result.

Bill Priestap remains the Head of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division – appointed by FBI Director Comey in December 2015. See: FBI Counterintelligence Head Bill Priestap – A Cooperating Witness.

Here is a summary of events taken from the FISA Court Ruling and Senate Testimony.

In March of 2016, NSA Director Rogers became aware of improper access to raw FISA data (Page 83 of Court Ruling).

In April of 2016, Rogers directed the NSA’s Office of Compliance to conduct a “fundamental baseline review of compliance associated with 702” (Senate testimony & Page 83-84 of Court Ruling).

On April 18, 2016, Rogers shut down all outside contractor access to raw FISA information – specifically outside contractors working for the FBI. The discovery that outside contractors were accessing raw FISA data is probably the event that precipitated Rogers ordering a full compliance review (Page 84 of Court Ruling).

On April 18, 2016, both the FBI and DOJ’s NSD become aware of Rogers’ compliance review. They may have known earlier but they were certainly aware after outside contractor access was halted.

On September 26, 2016, National Security Division Head John Carlin filed the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. Carlin knew the general status of Rogers’ compliance review. The NSD was part of the review.

On September 27, 2016, Carlin announced his resignation effective on October 15, 2016.

On October 4, 2016, a standard follow-up hearing on the 2016 Section 702 Certification was held. Carlin was present at the hearing. On October 15, 2016, Carlin formally left the NSD.

On October 20 2016, Rogers was briefed by the NSA compliance officer on findings from the 702 NSA compliance audit. The audit had uncovered numerous “About” Query violations (Senate testimony).

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On October 21, 2016, Rogers shut down all “About Query” activity. He reported his findings to the DOJ (Senate testimony & inferences from Court Ruling).

On October 21 2016, the DOJ & FBI seek and receive a Title I, FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISA Court. At this point, the FISA Court is unaware of the Section 702 violations.

On October 24, 2016, Rogers verbally informed the FISA Court of his findings (Page 4 of Court Ruling).

On October 26, 2016, Rogers appeared formally before the FISA Court and presented the findings of his audit (Page 4, 14 & 19 of Court Ruling & Senate testimony).

On November 17, 2016, Rogers traveled to meet President-Elect Trump in Trump Tower, New York. Director Rogers did not inform his boss – Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper.

On November 17, 2016, the Trump Transition Team announced they were moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

On November 19, 2016, the Washington Post reported the following:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper.

The story was reported on November 19th of 2016, meaning the move to fire Rogers – which failed – originated sometime in mid-October 2016.

Which is exactly the moment when Director Rogers was preparing to present his findings to the FISA Court.

The April 26, 2017 unsealed FISA Court Ruling, combined with a June 7, 2017 Senate Intelligence Committee Hearing on FISA Legislation, reveal more fully what occurred.

Page 4:

“On October 24, 2016, the government orally apprised the Court of significant non-compliance with the NSA’s minimization procedures involving queries of data acquired under Section 702 using U.S. person identifiers. The full scope of non-compliant querying practices had not been previously disclosed to the Court. Two days later, on the day the Court otherwise would have had to complete its review of the certifications and procedures, the government made a written submission regarding those compliance problems, and the Court held a hearing to address them.”

Director Rogers verbally informed the FISA Court on October 24, 2016 of the findings from his compliance audit.

He formally notified the FISA Court in writing on October 26, 2016. Rogers’ Senate testimony provides proof of this.

“The full scope of non-compliant querying practices had not been previously disclosed to the Court…”

As noted by the Court above – and more fully on page 14 (below) – the National Security Division specifically hid the findings of the January 7, 2016 Inspector General Report – along with knowledge of other violations – from the FISA Court.

Note the timing contained in the FISA Court’s Statement:

On October 24, 2016, the government orally apprised the Court of significant non-compliance…Two days later, on the day the Court otherwise would have had to complete its review of the certifications and procedures…

Carlin submitted the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications on September 26, 2016. Carlin submitted his resignation the following day.

On October 4, 2016, a standard follow-up hearing was held (see below – re: page 19). Carlin was present at this hearing. He left the NSD on October 15, 2016.

The FISA Court was scheduled to formalize the 2016 Section 702 Certification on October 26, 2016.

Director Rogers did not receive the initial compliance findings until October 20, 2016.

The government knew Rogers was conducting his own compliance review. Rogers knew the government was finalizing its 2016 Certification.

The government was attempting to obtain Court Certification before Rogers could present his findings. The government was aware its 2016 Certification lacked material and legally required disclosure. The Court would specifically note this in their ruling…

Meanwhile, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper submitted a recommendation that Director Rogers be removed as NSA Head sometime in October 2016.

The Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence are required to provide the FISA Court with annual certifications that Intelligence Community elements will follow targeting procedures and minimization procedures approved by the Court.

The NSD and Office of the Director of National Intelligence are required to review the Intelligence Agencies’ U.S. person queries to ensure legal compliance.

Any Section 702 violations must be immediately reported to the FISA Court.

Rogers was forced to verbally notify the FISA Court on October 24, 2016 – before he had finalized his written notification – specifically to halt the FISA Court’s pending Certification on October 26, 2016.

On October 26, 2016, Rogers submitted his written notification to the FISA Court on exactly the same day the FISA Court was scheduled to complete its review:

The government reported that it was working to ascertain the cause(s) of those compliance problems and develop a remedial plan to address them. Without further information about the compliance problems and the government’s remedial efforts, the Court was not in a position to assess whether the minimization procedures would comply with the statutory standards and were consistent with the requirements of the Fourth Amendment.

The process of review – which entailed significant Section 702 procedural changes – would prove lengthy. The FISA Court would not sign off on the 2016 Section 702 Certifications until April 26, 2017.

Page 14:

“The October 26, 2016 Notice disclosed that an NSA Inspector General (IG) review and report and NSA Office of Compliance for Operations (OCO) verification activities indicated that, with greater frequency than previously disclosed to the Court, NSA analysts had used U.S.-person identifiers to query the results of Internet “upstream” collection, even though NSA’s Section 702 minimization procedures prohibited such queries.”

Again, the October 26, 2016 Notice is Director Rogers’ formal written presentation of his findings to the FISA Court.

The DOJ’s National Security Division never disclosed the January 7, 2016 Inspector General Report to the FISA Court. The FISA Court was unaware of the Query violations until they were presented to the Court by NSA Director Rogers on October 26, 2016.

The NSD and ODNI perform the ongoing reviews of Intelligence Agency Section 702 use. It is simply not possible they were unaware of the Inspector General’s Report.

Page 19:

“The October 26, 2016 Notice informed the Court that NSA analysts had been conducting such queries in violation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had previously been disclosed to the Court.”

The Notice described the results of an NSA IG Report which analyzed queries using a set of known U.S.-person identifiers…in a subset of particular NSA systems that contain the results of Internet upstream collection.

That relatively narrow inquiry found that [Redacted] analysts had made [Redacted] separate queries using [Redacted] U.S.-person identifiers that improperly ran against upstream Internet data.

The government reported that the NSA IG and OCO were conducting other reviews covering different time periods, with preliminary results suggesting that the problem was widespread during all periods under review.

The NSA IG Report was released internally on January 7, 2016 and covered March 2015 through August 2015. The OCO Review was initiated by Director Rogers in April 2016.

“The problem was widespread during all periods under review.”

The FISA Court had been completely unaware of these violations prior to Rogers’ disclosure.

Page 19:

At the October 26, 2016 hearing, the Court ascribed the government’s failure to disclose those IG and OCO reviews at the October 4, 2016 hearing to an institutional “lack of candor” on NSA’s part and emphasized that “this is a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.”

An institutional lack of candor…

Don’t be misled by the Court’s reference to the NSA as ascribing any blame to Director Rogers.

The October 4, 2016 hearing was a standard follow-up hearing resulting from Carlin’s September 26, 2016 submission. Carlin would have been present at this hearing.

The results of the IG’s Report should have been immediately reported to the FISA Court by the NSD in January 2016.

The full IG Report – along with notification of Rogers’ ongoing review – should have been included in the September 26, 2016 proposed Certification.

The NSD and ODNI intentionally refused to disclose anything.

The issues disclosed by Director Rogers initiated a system-wide review of procedures across multiple Agencies which resulted in the discovery of further violations.

Pages 20-21:

“The January 3, 2017 Notice stated that “human error was the primary factor” in these incidents, but also suggested that system design issues contributed.”

“It also appeared that NSA had not yet fully assessed the scope of the problem: the IG and OCO reviews “did not include systems through which queries are conducted of upstream data but that do not interface with NSA’s query audit system.”

Although NSD and ODNI undertook to work with NSA to identify other tools and systems in which NSA analysts were able to query upstream data, it was clear to the Court that the issue was not yet fully scoped out.

Consider what is being said by the Court. “Systems through which queries are conducted of upstream data…that do not interface with NSA’s audit system.”

Outside query systems.

The NSA was unable to ascertain all the various avenues by which raw FISA data was accessed.

I suspect this may be referring to the FBI’s counter-terrorism database or certain NSD systems.

Page 21:

On January 27, 2017, the government provided further information on the technical and training measures NSA was taking and proposed to take to address this issue.

NSA was implementing its technical measures only on systems with respect to the system thought to be used most frequently to query Section 702 data. The government still had not ascertained the full range of systems that might have been used to conduct improper U.S.-person queries.

The government still didn’t know or understand the full range of access to raw FISA data.

Page 22:

On March 17, 2017, the government reported that NSA was still attempting to identify all systems that store upstream data and all tools used to query such data, though that effort was nearly complete.

Nearly five months after Director Rogers notified the Court, the government was still struggling to understand all points of raw FISA data access.

Page 23:

As embodied in the March 30, 2017 Submission, the government has chosen a new course: [Redacted]; sequestering and then destroying raw upstream Internet data previously collected; and substantially narrowing the scope of upstream collection .

Most significantly, the government will eliminate “abouts” collection altogether, which will have the effect of eliminating acquisition of the more problematic types of MCTs. These changes should substantially reduce the acquisition of non-pertinent information concerning U.S. persons pursuant to Section 702.

Apparently, the problem was so widespread the most efficient solution was to simply destroy the information and formally eliminate all “About” queries for the time being. Meanwhile, points of access were still not fully identified.

Page 23-24:

Revisions to the NSA Minimization Procedures now state that all Internet transactions acquired on or before that date and existing in NSA’s institutionally managed repositories will be sequestered pending destruction such that “NSA personnel will not be able to access the[m] for analytical purposes.”

NSA will destroy such sequestered Internet transactions as soon as practicable through an accelerated age-off process.

The age-off process was estimated to take one year.

Much of the remaining Court ruling relates to back and forth between the Court and the government regarding new rules, safeguards and procedures to be put in place.

There is also a review of procedural compliance with the Fourth Amendment (primarily pages 59-68).

Starting on Page 82, some new issues are raised.

NSA examined all queries using identifiers for “U.S. persons targeted using the [Redacted] tool in [Redacted] from November 1, 2015 to May 1, 2016.

Based on that examination, “NSA estimates that approximately eighty-five percent of those queries, representing [Redacted] queries conducted by approximately [Redacted] targeted offices, were not compliant with the applicable minimization procedures.”

Eighty-five percent of examined queries using U.S. person identifiers in conjunction with an unknown search/query tool were not compliant with minimization procedures.

FISA abuses were ongoing from at least November 1, 2015 through May 1, 2016. They almost certainly started earlier.

A non-compliance rate of 85% raises substantial questions about the propriety of using [Redacted] to query FISA data. While the government reports that it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of the number of non-compliant queries since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015-April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high error rate.

There is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015-April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high rate.

The problem was endemic, system-wide and across multiple Agencies.

The government reports that NSA “is unable to identify any reporting or other disseminations that may have been based on information returned by [these] non-compliant queries” because “NSA’s disseminations are sourced to specific objects,” not to the queries that may have presented those objects to the analyst.

The government cannot say how, when or where the non-compliant information was used. Once an individual had access to the information, it could no longer be traced or tracked.

The import of this revelation is about to be made more significant.

Going forward, note the Court’s nearly exclusive focus on the FBI.

Page 83-84:

On March 9, 2016, DOJ oversight personnel conducting a minimization review at the FBI’s [Redacted] learned that the FBI had disclosed raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information, to a [Redacted] Compliance Report at 92. [Redacted] is part of the [Redacted] and “is largely staffed by private contractors” [Redacted] certain [Redacted] contractors had access to raw FISA information on FBI storage systems [Redacted].

Private contractors, employed by the FBI, were given full access to raw FISA data. FISA data that, once in their possession, could not be traced.

This March 9, 2016 discovery initiated the entire chain of events – starting with Rogers ordering a “fundamental baseline review of compliance associated with 702” in April 2016.

The identities of the private contractors remains unknown. There has been some speculation that Fusion GPS may have been one of the contractors.

The apparent purpose for the FBI’s granting such access was to receive analytical assistance from [Redacted]. Nonetheless, the [Redacted] contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI’s requests; [Redacted]. The FBI discontinued the above-described access to raw FISA information as of April 18, 2016.

The [Redacted] contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI’s requests.

Note: The FBI didn’t suddenly discontinue the use of private contractors through their own volition. They were forced to do so by Director Rogers after the discovery of their use.

Page 84-85:

Personnel working for another federal agency such as [Redacted] may receive raw information acquired under Section 702 in order to provide technical or linguistic assistance to the FBI, but only if certain restrictions are followed.

No restrictions were in place.

Those restrictions were not in place with regard to the [Redacted] contractors: their access was not limited to raw information for which the FBI sought assistance and access continued even after they had completed work in response to an FBI request.

Their [contractors] access was not limited to raw information for which the FBI sought assistance – and access continued even after they had completed work in response to an FBI request.

Again, private contractors had full and unfettered access to raw FISA data. And no one could track what they did with that data.

Page 85:

At the October 4, 2016 Hearing, the government represented that it was investigating whether there have been similar cases in which the FBI improperly afforded non-FBI personnel access to raw FISA-acquired information on FBI systems.

The government was unable to determine how many times non-FBI personnel had full access to raw FISA data.

Note: This discovery was made known to the FISA Court earlier through the March 9, 2016 minimization review. However, the government had clearly played down the magnitude and ramifications.

The level of access to raw FISA data, lack of tracking ability and lack of oversight was not known to the FISA Court previously.

Page 86:

In a separate violation of its minimization procedures, the FBI delivered raw Section 702-acquired information to a [Redacted] contractor called [Redacted].

Apparently, some contractor violations continued. Much is redacted here so the date is unknown.

[Redacted] however, is not a federal agency and the [Redacted] personnel who worked with the information were “not directly supervised by or otherwise under the direction and control of [Redacted] Compliance Report at 132. For these reasons, the government concluded that the FBI had given the information to the private entity, not to an assisting federal agency.

These contractors were “not directly supervised by or otherwise under the direction and control of” – presumably anyone.

The government has not explained why giving [Redacted] personnel access to the raw information during installation of the tool would not involve a separate violation of the FBI Minimization Procedures. Accordingly, the Court is ordering the government to provide additional information regarding this second grant of access to raw Section 702 information.

No further information is given.

Page 87:

The improper access previously afforded the contractors has been discontinued. The Court is nonetheless concerned about the FBI’s apparent disregard of minimization rules and whether the FBI may be engaging in similar disclosures of raw Section 702 information that have not been reported.

The FBI may be engaging in similar disclosures of raw Section 702 information that have not been reported.

This concern from the Court applies specifically to the FBI – not the NSA.

The FISA Court’s lack of trust in the FBI is apparent.

Footnote on Page 87:

The improper access granted to the [Redacted] contractors was apparently in place [Redacted] and seems to have been the result of deliberate decisionmaking. [Redacted] Compliance Report at 92-93 ([Redacted] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into [Redacted]). Despite the existence of an interagency memorandum of understanding (presumably prepared or reviewed by FBI lawyers), no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016. Of course, such a memorandum of understanding could not override the restrictions of Section 702 minimization procedures.

This footnote is important.

The FBI systematically enabled outside contractors to access raw FISA data – using the FBI’s systems as access points – across multiple Agencies.

The FBI intentionally hid the implementation of this practice – and the practice itself – from the FISA Court until it was discovered in March 2016.

None of this was an accident.

There was an actual memorandum of understanding – prepared by FBI lawyers – directing outside contractor access to raw FISA data using FBI systems.

Despite the redactions, the Court’s language suggest this illegal policy had been in place for some time.

Page 87-88:

Recent disclosures regarding [Redacted] systems maintained by the FBI suggest that raw FISA information, including Section 702 information, may be retained on those systems in violation of applicable minimization requirements. [Heavy Redaction follows]

The FBI was not only ignoring minimization procedures – they were keeping data on U.S. citizens fully available.

Page 89:

Nearly four months ago, the government undertook to address this indefinite retention of information on the above-described systems in a subsequent filing, see December 29, 2016 Report at 10-11, but has not done so. Accordingly, the Court is directing the government to provide pertinent information.

Failures of the FBI to comply with this “review team” requirement for particular targets have been a focus of the FISC’s concern since 2014.

The FBI was not only ignoring minimization procedures. they were ignoring the FISA Court.

Again, note the Court’s specific focus on the FBI.

Page 90:

According to the government, the [FBI] review teams have completed examination of communications acquired prior to [Redacted].

Two and a half pages of nearly solid redactions follow. Nowhere else in the Court Ruling does this occur.

The redaction portion ends with this rather ominous statement on page 92:

FBI examination of the erroneously-excluded communications is ongoing and, so far, has not identified any attorney-client privileged communications concerning a charged matter.

The problems also extended to the CIA.

Page 94-95:

In the course of investigating a separate compliance incident that occurred in December 2016, the CIA discovered several problems with its purge practices. Further investigation of the December 2016 incident revealed similar problems with scripts used to purge metadata from [Redacted] CIA repositories.

In late March 2017, also in the course of investigating the December 2016 incident, CIA discovered another form of purging error affecting [Redacted].

The government has not advised the Court for how long these various purge-related problems persisted before CIA discovered them in the course of investigating the separate incident.

In the course of investigating one compliance incident, the CIA discovered multiple similar issues. It remains unknown how long these problems existed.

Pages 96-99 contain ten requirements. Most of them are fairly generic:

The government shall take steps…

The government shall submit a written report…

But I found the surprisingly specific tenth requirement on Page 99 of interest:

10. The government shall promptly submit in writing a report concerning each instance in which FBI personnel receive and review Section 702-acquired information that the FBI identifies as concerning a United States person in response to a query that is not designed to find and extract foreign intelligence information. The report should include a detailed description of the information at issue and the manner in which it has been or will be used for analytical, investigative or evidentiary purposes. It shall also identify the query terms used to elicit the information and provide the FBI’s basis for concluding that the query was consistent with applicable minimization procedures.

It becomes clear in the Court Ruling that the FBI – not the NSA – was the primary culprit in misusing raw FISA data and violating procedures supposedly safeguarding that data.

Time and again, the Court Ruling singles out the FBI for targeted reprimand.

The Court is nonetheless concerned about the FBI’s apparent disregard of minimization rules and whether the FBI may be engaging in similar disclosures of raw Section 702 information that have not been reported.

We finally come to the June 7, 2017 Senate Intelligence testimony of Director Rogers. You may find the transcript here. The final verification of dates fall into place:

LANKFORD: Admiral Rogers, this spring the NSA decided to stop doing “about” queries. That was a long conversation that’s happened there. It’s now come out into public about that conversation, that that was identified as a problem. The court agreed with that and that has been stopped. What I need to ask you is who first identified that as a problem?

ROGERS: The National Security Agency did. [It was Rogers – see below]

LANKFORD: Okay. So how did you report that? Reported that to who? How did that conversation go once you identified, “we’re uncomfortable with this type”?

ROGERS: So in 2016, I had directed our Office of Compliance, let’s do a fundamental baseline review of compliance associated with 702. We completed that effort, and my memory is I was briefed on something like October the 20th. That led me to believe the technical solution that we put in place is not working with the reliability that’s necessary here.

I then, from memory, went to the Department of Justice and then on to the FISA Court at the end of October – I think it was something like the 26th of October – and we informed the court: we have a compliance issue here and we’re concerned that there’s an underlying issue with the technical solution we put in place.

We told the court we were going to need some period of time to work our way through that. The court granted us that time. In return, the court also said: We will allow you to continue 702 under the (16) authorizations, but we will not–will not reauthorize (17) until you show us that you have addressed this.

We then went through an internal process, interacted with the Department of Justice as well as the court, and by March we had come to a solution that the FISA Court was comfortable with. The court then authorized us to execute that solution and also then granted us authority for the (17) 702 effort.

LANKFORD: So you reported initially to the court, this is an issue, or the court initially came to you and said, we have an issue?

ROGERS: I went to the court and said, we have an issue.

LANKFORD: And the court said, we agree, we have a problem as well?

ROGERS: Check.

LANKFORD: And then it got held up, went through the process of review, and then the court has now signed off on the other (16)?

ROGERS: That is correct.

LANKFORD: So how does this harm your collection capabilities, to be able to not do the “about” collections?

ROGERS: So I acknowledged that in doing this we were going to lose some intelligence value. But my concern was I just felt it was important; we needed to be able to show that we are fully compliant with the law. And the technical solution we had put in place I just didn’t think was generating the level of reliability. And as a result of that, I said we need to make the change.

I will say this, and the FISA Court’s opinion also says the same thing. I also told the court at the time, if we can work that technical solution in a way it generates greater reliability, I would potentially come back to the Department of Justice and the court to recommend that we reinstitute it.

And in fact the court acknowledged that in their certification.

LANKFORD: When you say greater reliability, tell me what you mean by that?

ROGERS: Because it was generating errors. Our Office of Compliance highlighted the specific number of cases in 2016. And I thought to myself, clearly it’s not working as we think it is. We were doing queries unknowingly to the operator in a handful of situations against U.S. persons. And I just said, hey, that is not in accordance with the intent of the law.

LANKFORD: Yes. Clearly it’s not only the intent; it’s the actual statute itself that – that we protect U.S. persons.

ROGERS: Yes, sir.

Rogers’ characteristically understated testimony provides us with verification of those dates missing from the Court Ruling:

In 2016, I directed our Office of Compliance [to] do a fundamental baseline review of compliance associated with 702.

We completed that effort and I was briefed on something like October the 20th.

I then went to the Department of Justice and then on to the FISA Court at the end of October – I think it was something like the 26th of October.

We informed the court: we have a compliance issue here and we’re concerned that there’s an underlying issue.

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Here’s the Rogers timeline:

November 2015-April 2016 – The FBI and DOJ’s National Security Division (NSD) uses private contractors to access raw FISA information using “To” and “From” FISA-702(16) & “About” FISA-702(17) queries.
March 2016 – NSA Director Rogers becomes aware of improper access to raw FISA data.
April 2016 – Rogers orders the NSA compliance officer to run a full audit on 702 NSA compliance.
April 18 2016 – Rogers shuts down FBI/NSD contractor access to the FISA Search System.
September 26 2016 – DOJ’s NSD Head John Carlin files the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. Carlin has been aware of Rogers’ compliance review.
September 27 2016 – Carlin announces he is resigning. Mary McCord will later assume his position.
October 15, 2016 – Carlin formally leaves the NSD.
Mid-October 2016 – DNI Clapper submits a recommendation to the White House that Director Rogers be removed from the NSA.
October 20 2016 – Rogers is briefed by the NSA compliance officer on the Section 702 NSA compliance audit and “About” query violations.
October 21 2016 – Rogers shuts down all “About Query” activity. Rogers reports the activity to DOJ and prepares to go before the FISA Court.
October 21 2016 – DOJ & FBI seek and receive a Title I FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. At this point, the FISA Court is unaware of the Section 702 violations.
October 24 2016 – Rogers verbally informs the FISA Court of Section 702(17) violations.
October 26 2016 – Rogers formally informs the FISA Court of 702(17) violations in writing.
November 17 2016 (morning) – Rogers travels to meet President-Elect Trump and his Transition Team in Trump Tower. Rogers does not inform DNI James Clapper.
November 17 2016 (evening) – Trump Transition Team announces they are moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey.
The DOJ & FBI were fully aware that Rogers initiated a compliance review in April 2016. They were aware of the review’s relative status.

The DOJ & FBI were both aware of Carlin’s fraudulent September 26, 2016 submission of the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. They knew it contained material omissions.

The DOJ & FBI appear to have rushed the Carter Page FISA application – knowing Rogers was preparing to go before the FISA Court.

The DOJ & FBI apply for – and receive – a Title I FISA warrant on Carter Page the same day Rogers apprises both Agencies of ongoing FISA violations.

Neither the DOJ or FBI inform the FISA Court of Rogers’ notification when they make their FISA Application on Page.

Which begs the question – why wasn’t Page’s FISA application revisited when Rogers verbally notified the FISA Court on October 24, 2016 or went before the FISA Court on October 26, 2016.

Why didn’t the FISA judge who issued the FISA Warrant on October 21, 2016 revisit the issue after hearing the litany of abuses laid out by Rogers on October 26, 2016.

And who, exactly, was that FISA judge.

Judge Rudolph Contreras was a likely candidate, but we now know Contreras did not sign FISA applications. This is according to the Senate Intelligence Committee Memo which specifies that Page FISA Application and renewals were approved by four different Federal (FISA) Judges who were appointed by the following Presidents: One by Reagan, one by G.H.W. Bush, and two by G.W.Bush.

Contreras was appointed by Obama, and therefore was not one of the four judges, but we know that Anne Conway signed the Carter Page FISA Application or Renewal.

Either Raymond Drearie or Martin Feldman (FISA Court 5-19-10 to 5-18-17) signed FISA Application or Renewal.

Two of the following signed FISA Application or renewal: Collyer, Egan, Kugler, Mosman, Saylor.

House Intelligence Chairman Nunes and House Judiciary Chairman Goodlatte recently sent letters to Presiding FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer requesting FISA Court records relating to the FBI’s FISA warrant application on Carter Page.

Judge Collyer is the same FISA Judge who wrote the 99-page FISA Court Ruling we have been examining.

The Court is considering the requests in January but the larger story is here, still because it’s difficult to fully convey or appreciate Director Mike Rogers’ actions. He quietly stood against a deeply embedded Intelligence apparatus and risked his reputation and career.

He also performed a delicate balancing act. His actions would be of no merit if he was not in a position to see his disclosures through. And although it may take some time for this to sink in — it is my hope that his role will be more fully appreciated. It’s entirely possible there would have been no FISA disclosure without the 2016 actions of Rogers.

There might have been no investigation by Inspector General Horowitz.

James Clapper was the architect of the Russia Report – Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections. It was used to push the entire Russia Narrative (see here).

The report was technically created by a joint effort between the CIA (former Director John Brennan), FBI (former Director James Comey) and the NSA (current Director Mike Rogers) – and assembled by the DNI (former Director James Clapper).

The joint report contains one significant caveat: CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has only moderate confidence. Rogers stated in Senate hearing testimony that his confidence did not reach even this threshold:

I wouldn’t call it a discrepancy, I’d call it an honest difference of opinion between three different organizations because in the end it didn’t have the same level of sourcing, nor the same level of multiple sources.

Admiral Mike Rogers quietly announced his retirement in early January 2018, thus bringing an end to a nearly four-year tenure as head of the NSA.

He formally retired later on this past Spring…

Which is somewhat remarkable given that the Obama Administration tried to fire him well over a year before the Trump investigation came to be the stone around their neck

So he survived and thrived from that much time under the Obama administration even though he was the only one who didn’t kowtow to that corrupt administration that was conspiring with the other heads of the departments and the security agencies as of more than two years ago starting early on 2016, and that is why they wanted Admiral Rogers out of the NSA about that time also.

Yet after completing his work, Admiral Mike Rogers left the NSA on his own terms, and now General Nakasone is the 18th individual to serve as NSA Director since the agency was established in 1952.

On May 4th of 2018, General Paul M. Nakasone, USA, assumed command from Admiral Mike Rogers, USN, as Commander U.S. Cyber Command and Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Central Security Service.

Yours,

Dr Churchill

PS:

On the next chapter we shall be examining some really significant yet overlooked events, testimonies, and circumstances, that may have resulted from the Section 702 FISA abuses by the FBI as discussed in this SpyGate chapter, that stem from the investigations of the Senate Intelligence committee, and other intelligence bodies of the House of Representatives of the American people.

But for now, one ought to watch here the interview of FBI agent Peter Strzok, as he testified during the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees’ joint hearing on “Oversight of FBI and DOJ Actions Surrounding the 2016 Election” as it took place right on the 12th of July 2018:

This is significant because the lead agent that caused, started, and led, the FBI’s salacious dossier official investigation against candidate Trump in 2016, that led to the appointment of Robert Mueller, is Peter Strzok, and this is his first public hearing that inevitably tumbled into a rancorous and heated political fracas on Thursday, as Strzok lied, obfuscated, and disseminated his testimony in a partisan way that caused in turn the Republicans to clash with him, and with the Democrats as well as to caution the former investigator over his anti-Trump texts — and accused him of contempt of Congress, for initially refusing to answer questions on the Russia hoax probe and the resulting witch hunt.

Strzok, throughout it all, remained defiant and maintained that he did not show any bias in those infamous messages with former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, who was his illicit lover and whom he informed on numerous occasions that He would fvck Trump, stop Trump, impeach Trump and other similar messages. Of course all along he maintained that he held No-Bias against President Trump, and that he simply wrote these texts and emails because he wanted to fvck Lisa Page and he had to appear as if he were a big man…

Republicans sharply disputed that assessment, with Rep. Darrell Issa later making Strzok read examples of those texts aloud. Among them, Strzok read one message where he called Trump a “disaster,” and another calling him an “idiot.”

The initial contempt threat surfaced after House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., questioned “how many witnesses” Strzok interviewed before an August 2016 text from Strzok to Page stating “we’ll stop” then-candidate Trump from becoming president.

Strzok said he was not able to answer the question based on instructions from FBI counsel. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., rejected Strzok’s claim.

Rep. Trey Gowdy presses FBI agent Peter Strzok over anti-Trump texts at a joint hearing of the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees.
“Mr. Strzok, you are under subpoena and required to answer the question,” Goodlatte said.

This touched off a heated dispute. Judiciary Ranking Member Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., blasted Goodlatte for putting Strzok in an “impossible position,” while Strzok claimed he was there voluntarily. Goodlatte said Strzok could only consult with his own attorney, not the FBI’s. Several other committee members chimed in, blasting top Republicans on the committee, with Nadler even motioning to adjourn the hearing all together.

Goodlatte, instead, said that at the conclusion of the hearing, Strzok would be subject to “recall to allow the committee to consider proceeding with a contempt citation.”

However, hours later after a break in the hearing, Strzok returned to say that he was advised by FBI counsel that he could in fact answer Gowdy’s earlier question.

But after Gowdy asked it again, Strzok replied only: “I don’t recall. I’d have to check the case file.”

FBI agent Peter Strzok addresses a joint House Oversight and Judiciary hearing focusing on anti-Trump text messages he sent while conducting the Russia and Clinton investigations.
“That’s eerily similar to what you said a couple of hours ago. I’m looking for a number,” Gowdy said. “You don’t recall interviews conducted in the first week of an investigation you originated?”

Strzok maintained that he did not remember, which touched off another heated exchange with Gowdy.

It was one of many throughout the hours-long hearing, which began with Strzok asserting that his political opinions were rooted in “deep patriotism.”

Strzok said in his prepared opening statement that he has never allowed personal opinions to affect his work, that he knew information during the campaign that had the potential to damage then-candidate Trump but never contemplated leaking it to the press, and that recent congressional focus on him is misguided and plays into “our enemies’ campaign to tear America apart.”

“Like many people, I had and expressed personal political opinions during an extraordinary presidential election. Many contained expressions of concern for the security of our country,” Strzok said in his opening statement, adding that those opinions were expressed “out of deep patriotism.”

Gowdy also tore into Strzok at the opening of Thursday’s hearing, saying he showed “textbook bias” on the job.

This later escalated into a heated exchange in which Strzok claimed he was kicked off Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe because of “perception,” not because of bias.

After Strzok said he didn’t “appreciate” how Gowdy was characterizing those events, the congressman fired back:

“I don’t give a damn what you appreciate, Agent Strzok.”

Strzok, in that exchange, also said he doesn’t even remember sending the “stop” Trump text, noting it was written late at night, “in shorthand.”

He maintained he was not suggesting he or the FBI would take any action to influence Trump’s candidacy.

Strzok, getting fired up, later added, “The suggestion that I, in some dark chamber in the FBI, would somehow cast aside these procedures … and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me.”

Gowdy and Goodlatte both rattled off a slew of Strzok text messages in which he blasted then-candidate Donald Trump and pined for a Hillary Clinton victory in 2016, to underscore their bias allegations.

As Strzok observed opening statements from the witness table, Gowdy expressed disbelief that he didn’t view such statements as bias.

Despite inspector general findings, Strzok maintained that bias was not “expressed in those text messages.”

“I can tell you that those text messages are not indicative of bias,” Strzok said.

Goodlatte also challenged Democrats to replace Trump’s name in those texts with their own.

“To my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, please replace President Trump’s name with your own name in a small sample of things Mr. Strzok has said,” Goodlatte said. “Envision how you would feel if you found out that the chief agent investigating you as a Member of Congress was making these comments: ‘F Trump,’ ‘Trump is a disaster,’ ‘Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support’ – or, perhaps most alarmingly and revealingly, ‘We’ll stop it’ – referring directly to Mr. Trump’s candidacy for President.”

Democrats, in opening statements, blasted their GOP colleagues. Rep. Elijah Cummings highlighted that several Trump-tied figures have already been snagged in the Russia probe.

“These are not allegations, these are admissions,” he said, while displaying posters with images of the defendants in that case.

Strzok has been in political crosshairs for months over revelations of anti-Trump text messages exchanged with Page.

Strzok’s messages were first revealed by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz. The latest text, which was revealed in the inspector general’s report on the FBI’s handling of the Clinton email investigation, showed Strzok vowing to “stop” Trump from becoming president.

Lawmakers were grilling Strzok on the impact of his political bias on any investigative decisions, though Horowitz ultimately found that despite the politically charged messages, there was no evidence that the bias had an impact on any prosecutorial decisions in the Clinton probe.

Strzok was on Mueller’s team until the text messages were discovered. He was then reassigned to the FBI’s office of human resources. Just last month, Strzok was escorted from the bureau and lost his security clearance.

Strzok also repeatedly said he regretted how his text messages were phrased, noting that they should be put into context. During his private deposition last month, Strzok also said he regretted sending the text messages all together.

In his opening statement though, Strzok maintained that while his criticisms of Trump were “blunt,” there is “simply no evidence of bias in my professional actions.”

“Let me be clear, unequivocally and under oath: not once in my 26 years of defending my nation did my personal opinions impact any official action I took,” Strzok said Thursday adding that Russian election interference has been successfully “sowing discord in our nation and shaking faith in our institutions.”

The lying bastard Strzok steeped in the Art of Subterfuge trying to muddy the waters even further, had this to say: “I have the utmost respect for Congress’s oversight role, but I truly believe that today’s hearing is just another victory notch in Putin’s belt and another milestone in our enemies’ campaign to tear America apart.”

The infamous Strzok first had to read aloud his own hateful and demented sexualized texts and then he had the temerity to say this: “As someone who loves this country and cherishes its ideals, it is profoundly painful to watch and even worse to play a part in.”

Strzok also rejected Trump’s characterization of the Mueller probe as a “witch hunt.”

Strzok’s public testimony comes after his appearance on Capitol Hill last month, when he interviewed with the committees behind closed doors for more than 11 hours.

Strzok was fvcking Lisa Page in the bureaus toilets and sexting her also at all times of day and night. Lisa Page should not be confused with Carter page as no such relationship exists except of the fact that Strzok also wanted to fvck Carter page in order to get Trump that was his big ambition in life and what the FBI brass and the Obama brass called “Shooting for Elephant.” Strzok’s girlfriend Lisa page who resigned from the bureau in May, had also served on the Mueller witch hunt, but returned to the FBI last July where she served in the Office of General Counsel until she was ejected.

Because apparently, this week, Lisa Page defied the congressionally issued subpoena to appear Wednesday for a closed-door deposition before the same joint committees. Lisa Page’s legal team, late Tuesday night, said that she would not testify because she needed more time to prepare her testimony. Dodgy Lisa Page refused to respond to the subpoena as a matter of tactic and thus was absent from the Congressional committee’s interviews in defiance of the rules and laws of the Constitutionally mandated powers of the Legislature. Lets see where that gets her.

House Republicans sent a letter to Page’s attorney on Wednesday, laying out three options for Page: show up at Thursday’s public hearing alongside Strzok, attend a closed-door deposition on Friday, or face contempt of Congress proceedings beginning Friday morning.

Goodlatte, R-Va., said Thursday morning that Page, through her attorney, has agreed to appear for a private interview on Friday, voluntarily. At the time of this writing on Thursday Lisa Page has neither replied, nor has appeared on the floor of the Committee hearings…

Trump, from his European tour, blasted Page for failing to show up on Wednesday, calling the ongoing Russia probe “perhaps the most tainted and corrupt case EVER!”

The President added: “How can the Rigged Witch Hunt proceed when it was started, influenced and worked on, for an extended period of time, by former FBI Agent/Lover Peter Strzok?”

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Then President Trump continued: “Read his hate filled and totally biased Emails and the answer is clear!”

Just imagine now that not too long ago, the FBI was an honest and hard working domestic Police Force, and try to reconcile that image with the reality of today, after seeing Strzok’s lying performance on the stand…

Now, just imagine where the FBI’s credibility has gone…

It’s gone South all the way.

It has gone so far south that it might not even have stopped at the very Nadir of their descent into the abyss of disbelief, distrust, and disgust…

It’s gone low down, and perhaps it cannot go any lower, although there are no guarantees of it stopping…


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