Posted by: Dr Churchill | October 16, 2018

SpyGate – Chapter Sixty One – “Where is the Where?”


This book details the evidence and the reasons behind the recently failed Coup D’Etat against the American Democracy.
“This is the most important existential threat that our country has faced since the inception of this Republic” —Dr Churchill
This Book was written by Dr Pano Churchill
Copyright 2018
Chapter Sixty One
“Where is the Where?”


As above so is bellow…

Behind the crop circles that attract our attention there are those who make them.

And beyond the magician’s glee, and the children’s amazement, there is always the sleigh of hand and the elaborate mechanism that keeps these things going.

So it is with the side-shows that our Representatives and our Security Agencies keep feeding you daily.

So comes nowReps. Darrell Issa and Matt Gaetz highlighted discrepancies between DOJ official Bruce Ohr’s Tuesday testimony before Congress and the testimony given by Lisa Page and Glenn Simpson.

Ohr appeared before the House oversight and judiciary committee’s to face questions about his role in the FBI investigation of the 2016 Trump campaign. Ohr served as a conduit between salacious dossier author Christopher Steele and the FBI. The DOJ official’s wife also worked for the dirty dossier commissioning firm Fusion GPS, while the investigation proceeded.

“In the first hour of testimony, it’s either Bruce Ohr is lying or Glenn Simpson is lying,” Gaetz told reporters Tuesday, continuing “in another circumstance, it’s either Bruce Ohr is lying, or Lisa Page is lying.”

Gaetz was supported later by Issa, who confirmed the Ohr discrepancy with Simpson’s testimony and said, “There’s also some ambiguity between Ohr and Lisa Page. We will have to go back to the loop to find out which one of them is able to change their story or face perjury.”

The myriad of connections between Ohr, his wife, Steele and Fusion GPS have raised several questions about the role of politicized intelligence in igniting an investigation of President Donald Trump. Trump has railed against Ohr in recent days and is considering pulling his security clearance.

The co-founder of the opposition research firm behind the Steele dossier, Glenn Simpson, will invoke his First and Fifth Amendment privileges to avoid testifying before Congress next week, his lawyer has told Congress.

According to Simpson’s attorney Joshua Levy, he told the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte that Simpson will not appear for a deposition because the congressional investigation “is not designed to discover the truth.”

The Virginia Republican subpoenaed Simpson on September 29th after Levy said his client would not appear voluntarily for an interview before members of the House Judiciary and House Oversight & Government Reform committees.

Simpson’s firm, Fusion GPS, was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by the law firm Perkins Coie that represented the DNC and Clinton campaign. Fusion GPS hired former British spy Christopher Steele to conduct an investigation into Donald Trump’s possible links to Russia. The result of the probe was a 35-page report alleging collusion between the Trump campaign and Kremlin.

Republican lawmakers are interested in the dossier, largely because the FBI reportedly relied on the unverified document to obtain surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

In addition to investigating Trump and his associates, Fusion GPS has helped plant anti-Trump news stories with numerous news outlets. Simpson helped arrange meetings between Steele and journalists from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New Yorker and Yahoo News.

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Simpson has already testified before the House Intelligence and Senate Judiciary committees. But Republicans lawmakers hoped to depose him again to ask him about testimony provided by Bruce Ohr, a Justice Department official who was in contact with both Simpson and Steele.

Bruce Ohr testified on Capitol Hill on Aug. 28, 2018 and it was Ohr’s congressional testimony that has cast serious doubt on what Simpson had told the House Intelligence panel last November.

Ohr testified on Aug. 28 that he met Simpson twice in 2016, before and after the election. The first meeting took place in August 2016 after Simpson emailed Ohr. Ohr’s notes show that he took notes related to the Trump investigation during his encounter with Simpson.

But Simpson testified that he met Ohr only after the election, and at Ohr’s request. And though Simpson acknowledged meeting Ohr, he did not tell congressional investigators that Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS while the firm was investigating Trump.

Instead it was the DOJ official Bruce Ohr who testified that he met with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson in August 2016.

That conflicts with what Simpson told a congressional committee in November. He said he did not meet Ohr until after the 2016 election.

Simpson’s lawyer has not commented on the discrepancy.

Department of Justice (DOJ) official Bruce Ohr told Congress in August that he met before the 2016 election with Glenn Simpson, a direct contradiction to what the Fusion GPS founder said in a congressional deposition in 2017.

Sources familiar with Ohr’s August 28th testimony said that he met with Simpson in August 2016. But Simpson, whose firm commissioned the infamous Steele dossier, told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence during a Nov. 14 deposition that he did not have contact with anyone from the DOJ or FBI until after the election.

Ohr’s comments came during an exchange with Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jorda.

“I think you said earlier today sometime this morning that you met with Glenn Simpson twice in person,” Jordan said, according to a transcript of the interview.

“But you met in person in 2016, is that right?” Jordan pressed.

“That is my recollection,” Ohr said.

“Once in August and once in December?” Jordan asked.

“Yes,” said Ohr.

Simpson told House investigators in November that he had contact with Ohr only after the 2016 election.

“Did the FBI ever reach out to you or Fusion GPS in relation to the matters that Mr. Steele informed them upon?” investigators with the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence asked Simpson during a Nov. 14, 2017, interview.

“No,” said Simpson.

“You’ve never heard from anyone in the U.S. government in relation to those matters, either the FBI or the Department of Justice?” investigators asked.

“After the election. I mean, during the election, no,” Simpson said.

Simpson went on to identify Ohr as his Justice Department contact, though he left out information about Ohr’s wife, a Russia expert who worked for Fusion GPS.

When asked how he came into contact with Ohr, Simpson told the intelligence committee: “Chris [Steele] told me that he had been talking to Bruce, that he had told Bruce about what happened, and that Bruce wanted more information and suggested that I speak with Bruce.”

“The context of this is that it was after the election. A very surprising thing had happened, which is that Donald Trump had won.”

Ohr, who was demoted from his position as assistant deputy attorney general in December, also met Christopher Steele, the former British spy who authored the dossier. Ohr provided briefings to the FBI about his contacts with Steele from November 2016 to May 2017.

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Passage from Glenn Simpson testimony to House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Nov. 14, 2017. Simpson sent an email with the subject line “Can u ring” to Ohr on Aug. 22, 2016. Ohr’s handwritten notes show that Simpson named several “possible intermediaries” between the Trump campaign and Kremlin.

Ohr’s notes referred to Sergei Millian, an alleged source for some of the salacious allegations made in the Steele dossier.

A lawyer for Simpson did not return multiple requests for comment about the discrepancy between his client’s testimony and Ohr’s.

Ohr also told lawmakers that during their December 2016 meeting, Simpson told him a conservative lawyer named Cleta Mitchell had expressed concern that Russian operatives were secretly funneling political contributions to the National Rifle Association.

“An NRA lawyer named Cleta Mitchell found out about the money pipeline and was very upset, but the election was over,” Ohr wrote in notes he took during a meeting with Simpson on December 10th of 2016.

Similar allegations were made in a story published by McClatchy news service on March 15th.

But Mitchell has vehemently denied the allegation, calling it a “false story.” She said she has not worked with the NRA for years and had no contact with the gun rights group in 2016.

Mitchell said: “I’ve suspected all along it was Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS who made up that story.”

But all that might be a sideshow when you know that something else that is rather big, is hidden behind the kerfuffle…


Dr Churchill


“A great many people think they are thinking, when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.”

–William James

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